LM-105

Very high BC Long range bullet for the light & potent Sniper

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Content Abstract | History | Vietnam | The Problem | Comparision | Old .50 BMG | The Performance | Current Gear is inadequate | The Solution | Twist | LM 105 Bullet Barrel dimensions | Drive Band Design | TRG-42 Barrels available | Hello from Australia | 338 LM und 50 BMG | LM 105 Radar Data

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Abstract | History | Vietnam | The Problem | Comparision | Old .50" BMG | Performance | Current Gear is inadequate | Solution

Hallo Herr Möller

ich möchte das LM 105. Bieten Sie dafür Ladedaten? Kann man das LM 105 auch aus einem gewöhnlichen Lauf einer Blaser R8 verschießen und gute Ergebnisse erzielen.

LM: Nein. Das Geschoß biete ich nicht an. Man bräuchte Sonderläufe.

Mit freundlichem Gruß, Marcel Rothe, Freitag, 8. September 2017 14:03

Abstract

Long Ranges indispensably need long and slender Bullets. On long Ranges wind slipping Bullets buck the unknown Wind to increase Lethality by a wide Margin (LM-105 over .338" Lock Base almost doubles Lethality from the same Cartridge).

Long slender Bullets must not be big Caliber or or heavy Mass. Compare a conventional .50" BMG Ball round a .338 Lapua Magnum with LM-105 and find 19,4 g Mass outshot 48,6g or the 2½ fold!

Lightweight long slender Bullest, reduce Rifle and Ammunition Weigth and Recoil. That correspondingly drops 2½ fold.

Such smaller Cartridges, like the .338" LM may be easily moderated, to take Flash, Recoil, Dust and some Sound, to greatly reduce Signature, hence reduce the Shooters Visibility on his Mission. Before his Mission allow him to train with less Pain, hence speed Training an increase Confidence and hence Performance.

Time has come to kick out heavy old big blunt Projectiles and move forward to new small light long slender Projectiles to perform further with Ease! I stay put to demonstrate!

LM 105 won the Lapua Sniper Competion 2005.

History

The Task to precisely hit the Enemy sometimes requires, especially in mountainous Regions, long Shots. In the Korean War over a half Century ago the North Koreans resorted to Russian Surplus 14,5 x 114 Degtjarev  Anti tank rifles as a means to shoot further down the Road.

Lutz Möller KJG

left: 14,5x 114 Degtjarev Anti tank rifle ammunition with my Precision bullets | right 5,6 mm Bullet and Cartridge

Anti Tank Rifle

Very long historical 14,5 x 114 Degtjarev anti Tank Rifle for recreational Plinking

Vietnam

In  Vietnam US Snipers first used the M2 Machine gun for the .50" BMG Cartridge, that could release single shots and was equipped with a 10 x Unertl Scope

M2 Machine Gun

The .50"BMG Cartridge is a close Copy of the German 13 mm Mauser Anti tank rifle from WW1, now 98 Year ago.


British Troops in WW1 before a British Tank inspect a German 13 mm Mauser Rifle

In Vietnam the average G. I. already used today's small 5,6x43 NATO Cartridge for close Encounters and rapid fire in a spray-and-pray Manner, taking about 55.000 Rounds for one Enemy Casualty. Snipers there used .30-06 Springfield Rifles or misused said M2 Machine gun with the .50"BMG with about 1,5 Cartridges per Hit rather efficiently.

Since then conventional Wisdom proposed big Cartridges for precise long range Work. Must that be so? No!

A smarter Approach will equip the demanding Sniper with a potent Weapon that drains not so much from his Transport capabilities and disturbs him not so much with Recoil up to Flinching when shooting and leaves him with less Signature (Fire, Sound, Dust, Leave Movement, without any  Compromise in Range or Precision or Performance. The latter actually will increase. See the Solution.

Lutz Moeller, 3. June 2006,

The Problem

Townsville, Australia (June 11, 2005) Australian army personnel embark USS Boxer (LHD 4) in Townsville, Australia, June 11 in preparation for Talisman Saber 2005, a joint operation involving more than 16,000 service members from Australia and the United States. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Daniel A. Jones.

First: Gear is a lot and heavy

Second: Ranges may be long, Wind may blow

Third: Blast and Recoil may limit Practice down to Irrelevance

Comparison

Wind drift @ 1200 m

Range .338" LM-105 .50" BMG A-Max .50" BMG M33 Ball .338" Lock Base
1200 m 129 cm 156 cm 248 232

Needs one to say more? Small is powerfull!

A flat Trajectory might help too

Lutz Moeller LM-105

Size & Weight matter

Length in mm: The .50"BMG compared to the .338" Lapua Magnum with LM-105

The LM-105 for this Comparison is fired from a 105 mm long (hence the Name) .338" Lapua Magnum Cartridge in a Gain twist barrel with 9 degrees Twist angle (not Inch length!).

Old .50" BMG

The historical approach to use bigger Cartridges to longer Ranges might be understandable from the Circumstances and especially from a Logistics standpoint, but is a ballistic Error. The regular .50" BMG M33 Ball Ammunition, that most Armies list in their Supply chain, is rather inadequate for the intended Purpose, namely to precisely defeat single Targets on long Ranges. Most the terrible Wind drift (the worst of the four compared Bullets) plus the inadequate Accuracy oft the standard Machine gun fodder, combined  its curved Trajectory declass the Round.

Hornady A Max

Hornady A-Max bullet for the .50" BMG

Precise and better wind bucking Rounds can for Instance be built with the Hornady A-Max Match bullet, but such a Round is not in the standard military Supply Chain. Its Availability was the Key advantage in its first Use for Sniping in Vietnam over 40 Years ago. But when the Key advantage can lo longer be banked upon, the Round in itself becomes questionable. The .50" BMG has considerable Draw backs:

Again, when the Round disturbs long, repeated and enduring Training in relative Comfort, such Experience cannot be built up and henceforth such Judgment must remain lousy Guess work, inadequate in any deadly Environment, where the Enemy just waits for a Movement from the other side. In a Man-to-Man-dependent Conflict (not the Big number game) between Snipers, Intelligence and Knowledge usually wins. Surveillance and Knowledge behind Patience are the key Ingredients to both achieve the Task and to survive. To shoot without a high Probability to defeat the Target just feeds Information to the Other Side. While any Hunter likes to get his Prey he even more likes to return to Home. Imprecise Shooting in a Sniper contest risks that!

The Performance

Lutz Möller will demonstrate the LM-105 Bullet on Site in the Country to deliver all together very low Wind drift, Accuracy and flat Trajectory together.

Lutz Möller with TRG-42 with Feuerschlucker

Performance is proven.

Lutz Möller in Africa with LM-105

In the green in the Middle in 457 stands an Oryx in the Bush

Looking back 400 to the Kliff

LM 105 shot the Oryx in 456 m as planned

LM-105 in- and out

LM-105 Heart shot exit

LM-105 Lung pemetration

The LM-105 won the 2005 Lapua Sniper Cup!

Current Gear is inadequate

Current repeating Rifles loose their Ability to be Repeaters with the long LM-105 Bullet in the .338" LM Round, designed to be just 93,5 mm short. Current Barrels in .338" LM Rifles will not stabilize the LM-105.

The Solution

New Rifles need to be built to order to first accommodate the wind bucking and hence indispensable long Cartridges and second to suit all other Needs.  I will do just that on Order.
 

Twist

There is no Stability with the LM-105 in 1:10 Twist. They soon would fly sideways. The Bullet tip is Haack Contour shaped and is 6,5 Calibres long. I needs a 9 Degrees Twist (~ 1 Turn in 176 mm ).

LM-105 Bullet Barrel dimensions

The LM-105 was made to be shot from .338“ Lapua Magnum that have the usual Bore- and Grove diameters, that is

Bore 8,38 mm
Grove 8,58 mm
6 Grooves
Grove width 2,79 mm

Look up Specifications from CIP or SAAMI but reduce Throat Angle to .338" WM Angle. We use a 900 mm Barrel and get 915 m/s Muzzle Velocity at moderate Pressures for the Cartridge.

Drive Band Design

Small an multiple Drive bands introduce a Micro turbulence, that later downstream reduced the Macro turbulence, when the Stream cannot follow. In sum that reduced Drag.

The Drive bands must in one Instance be larger enough to take the Land's Shear force, when the accelerated Rotation applies Torque on them,  but in the same Instance be small enough not to exhibit too much Resistance in the Throat against Engraving and in the same Instance be as small as possible to reduce Friction down the Barrel. Many Designers fail to optimize their Bullets for a suitable Compromise. Specially those, that have no Drive bands at all. The ">LM-105 is very close. Why only close? Because You need some Margin against Rifle-to-Rifle-Variation and Throat erosion over Time.

500 m Sand hits

TRG-42

">LM-105 and SakoTRG-42 with Moderator hunted in Africa 2009

Hello from Australia

Lutz

Hello again from Australia!

I haven’t received any reply from you regarding either your plans to come to Australia in May to hunt camels or whether you will be in Dresden in early April (I will be in Germany and will visit you on 06 April 2010, if you are there). I would also like to pick up some of your LM-119 projectiles while there.

Please be aware that the Police in my state (South Australia) placed a ban on new .338 Lapua Magnum rifles, as they have moved to ban military long range sniper calibers. So if you intended to bring a rifle in .338 Lapua Magnum, you may have difficulty gaining the import approvals. The same applies to .375 CheyTac. This may not apply in the Northern Territory (the state to the north of South Australia), but I am unsure.

Regards, Daryl Lenkic, Montag, 15. März 2010 15:11

338 LM und 50 BMG

Sehr geehrter Herr Möller

Wir haben letzten Samstag betreffend progressivem Drall für 338 Lapua Magnum miteinander telefoniert. Ich habe mich in der Zwischenzeit bei der Firma Lothar Walter erkundigt. Dr. Frank Walter hat mir folgende Auskunft und Empfehlungen gegeben:

Die Lauflänge sei bis 810 mm Länge frei wählbar

LM: Ja.

Der Anfangsdrall sei 16" und steigere sich bis 8" Enddrall und am Schluß.

Lutz mit Hut

LM: Für mein LM 105 betrage der Anfangsdrallwinkel 4,5° und der endliche 9°! Mit Zoll habe ich nichts am Hut!

Bei langen Läufen sei ein gleicher Drall von 3-4 Geschoßlängen sinnvoll

LM: Ja.

Laufkontur und -dicke seien frei wählbar

LM: Ja.

Er hat mir aber geraten, mit dem Geschoßhersteller diese Angaben nochmals zu besprechen, da er nicht alle Geschosse und Eigenheiten bis ins Detail kenne.

LM: Angemessen!

Was ist Ihre Meinung zu diesen Angaben?

LM: Richtig.

Für eine Antwort bedanke ich mich.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Martin Berchtold, Samstag, 28. Januar 2012 20:45

Black tipped Lutz Möller Ammunition group with LM-105

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LM 105 Radar Data

.338 Twist 8" - LM105
Mass (ref)=18.921 g,  Diameter (ref)=8.585 mm
R(m)	Mach	CD	BC(G1)	BC(G7)	BC(G8)
50	2.216	0.2487	0.8331	0.4186	0.4500
100	2.165	0.2524	0.8292	0.4168	0.4509
150	2.114	0.2560	0.8262	0.4153	0.4522
200	2.064	0.2596	0.8234	0.4138	0.4534
250	2.014	0.2631	0.8206	0.4124	0.4546
300	1.964	0.2669	0.8183	0.4112	0.4558
350	1.915	0.2706	0.8161	0.4101	0.4571
400	1.867	0.2744	0.8139	0.4089	0.4581
450	1.819	0.2782	0.8116	0.4078	0.4591
500	1.772	0.2819	0.8090	0.4077	0.4606
550	1.726	0.2856	0.8062	0.4083	0.4623
600	1.680	0.2894	0.8031	0.4087	0.4637
650	1.635	0.2934	0.7997	0.4089	0.4648
700	1.590	0.2972	0.7960	0.4093	0.4661
750	1.546	0.3010	0.7915	0.4106	0.4677
800	1.503	0.3046	0.7871	0.4119	0.4693
850	1.461	0.3083	0.7810	0.4140	0.4708
900	1.419	0.3119	0.7749	0.4161	0.4723
950	1.378	0.3156	0.7661	0.4181	0.4736
1000	1.337	0.3193	0.7553	0.4201	0.4750
1050	1.298	0.3230	0.7445	0.4221	0.4763
1100	1.259	0.3262	0.7284	0.4244	0.4776
1150	1.221	0.3294	0.7129	0.4266	0.4789
1200	1.184	0.3320	0.6936	0.4290	0.4807
1250	1.147	0.3339	0.6695	0.4317	0.4831
1300	1.112	0.3358	0.6462	0.4344	0.4855
1350	1.078	0.3365	0.6164	0.4366	0.4862
1400	1.045	0.3327	0.5886	0.4406	0.4868
1450	1.013	0.3224	0.5631	0.4375	0.4731
1500	0.986	0.2536	0.6624	0.4751	0.5242
1550	0.966	0.1830	0.8620	0.5239	0.6113
1600	0.951	0.1564	0.9576	0.4904	0.6101
1650	0.938	0.1495	0.9584	0.4666	0.6011
1700	0.925	0.1448	0.9474	0.4441	0.5913
1750	0.913	0.1459	0.8996	0.4044	0.5585
1800	0.901	0.1472	0.8515	0.3650	0.5256
1850	0.889	0.1472	0.8245	0.3562	0.5233
1900	0.877	0.1470	0.7995	0.3500	0.5235
1950	0.865	0.1481	0.7682	0.3410	0.5192
2000	0.853	0.1495	0.7364	0.3316	0.5142
2050	0.842	0.1526	0.6969	0.3186	0.5034
2100	0.830	0.1566	0.6556	0.3046	0.4905
2150	0.818	0.1593	0.6207	0.2934	0.4819
2200	0.806	0.1611	0.5904	0.2842	0.4763
2250	0.794	0.1629	0.5668	0.2774	0.4707
2300	0.783	0.1648	0.5503	0.2732	0.4652
2350	0.771	0.1667	0.5343	0.2690	0.4599
2400	0.759	0.1686	0.5187	0.2650	0.4547
2450	0.748	0.1703	0.5042	0.2613	0.4501
2500	0.737	0.1712	0.4925	0.2591	0.4480
2550	0.725	0.1720	0.4811	0.2569	0.4459
2600	0.714	0.1728	0.4700	0.2548	0.4438
2650	0.703	0.1736	0.4591	0.2527	0.4418
2700	0.692	0.1735	0.4544	0.2523	0.4419
2750	0.682	0.1731	0.4523	0.2527	0.4429
2800	0.672	0.1730	0.4496	0.2527	0.4432
2850	0.662	0.1734	0.4456	0.2519	0.4423
2900	0.652	0.1737	0.4418	0.2512	0.4413
2950	0.642	0.1738	0.4388	0.2509	0.4412
3000	0.632	0.1738	0.4360	0.2507	0.4412

Compare LM 105 Radar Data to .50" BMG MSG 1273 Radar Data and understand, why aerodynamic Bullets win.

LM-105 Fan License plate

LM-105 vornLM 105 hinten

Some really love my Bullets. The number their Cars accordingly. Wonderful!

Lutz Möller June 2015