7th Lapua Sniper Competition 2005

Lutz Möller's wind slippery LM-105 Bullet for 338" Lapua Magnum, BC 0,93 for long Shots
with flat trajectory and, compared to conventional Bullets, almost halved Wind drift

500 m Test range

Target area

Im Vordergrund das siegreiche Gewehr des militärischen 7. Lapua Scharfschützenwettbewerbes

  Sponsor Ausführung
Waffe Sako TRG -42
Lauf Lothar Walther Progressivdralllauf mit 9° Drallwinkel
Zielfernrohr Schmidt & Bender 4 - 16 x 50 PM I Mildot
Hülsen Lapua .338" Lapua Magum
Pulver Vihtavuori N560
Geschoß Lutz Möller LM - 105 | 19 g | BC = 0,93

Tom Marsti am Rohr sein Beobachter Pasi Lonnberg gewannen mit 2500 Punkten

Von links: Die LM-105 Abschußvorrichting, Tom, Pasi

Von links: DieLM-105 Abschußvorrichting, Tom, Pasi

Pokale

Sieger

Wolfgang Haack published (secret then) the Minimum Wave drag shape in Peenemünde 1941

Minimum Wave drag tip

Betreff: VS: Tom Marsti, Sako TRG-42, .338 LM LM-105

Hello!
The competition is over. I guess that you put your money on the right horse. Our team won again this year. About the competition. I will inform more about the details. There were competitors from Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark and Finland. Some of the original competitors could not come because of different reasons.

I will send you some photos later to day. I guess that other competitors also will contact you or at least many will visit your sites.

The TRG with your bullet overpowered the other guns. Unfortunately that doesn't make the human errors to disapear.
 
With regards, Tom Marsti

Tom,

Congratulations, also to Your Spotter. Well done! Please leave the Rifle painted as it is for later Photographs. I call You later.

Lutz, 25. heinäkuuta 2005 11:17

VS: Congratulations, Please leave the Paint on

Here i describe the event

7th Lapua Sniper Competition 2005

The competition followed the tradition to place several shooting stages with different tasks. The competition was not physically hard since the main idea is to measure the ability to make good range estimation, ability to read the wind properly and of course to shoot good at long ranges. The competitors got also points from proper movement and camouflage. Ranges had to be measured with mil-dot or similar reticle, no laser devises were allowed.

The first stage was a "terrorist" neutralization task. The competitors were shown a picture of a target that would appear somewhere near a traffic sign within 5 minutes. The target would be at the traffic sign for 1 minute and disappear. The shooter had to estimate the range and pick up the right target out of 5 different targets and hit the target inside a 5 cm ring at the center of the target. The target popped up at approx. 150 meters. Many shooters did not either hit the target where they should or could not make the difference between the targets and thus did not hit the right target. A 338 LM long-range gun is not the right gun for this kind of job.

The second stage consisted of two targets at approx. 450 meters. The task was to estimate the range and wind and to shoot the targets so that the shots would depart within 5 seconds from both team members. A gap over 5 seconds between the shots would have meant 0 points. We had our shots go so simultaneously, that the electronic calculator didn't even registrate two shots. Both targets fell down.

The third stage consisted of 8 targets at ranges from approx. 350 - 750 meters. We had a range card that was made the evening before. But the targets were not shown until now. There was 25 minutes time to stalk 25 meters to the shooting position, shoot the targets (both shooters) and get back beginning point unseen from the target area. The LM-105 was enjoyable to shoot. Even with a slight wind from the left, there was no need for wind corrections more than 0.25 - 0.50 MOA at 700 meters. Although the fine gun a human error made me miss one target at 660 meters.

The last stage was quite easy. The targets were at approx. 450 meters and partly behind bushes. The competitor had plenty of time to estimate the range and to shoot the targets.

I must admit that the 338 LM with the LM-105 bullet makes a difference at long ranges. The targets were 45 cm wide metal targets that fell down when hit. The height of the targets wearied from 40 - 70 cm, thus the flat trajectory and minimum wind drift makes sense.

The trajectory corrections that I made

300  0.0 moa
400  2.5 moa
500  5.0 moa
550  6.5 moa
600  8.0 moa
650  9.5 moa
700 11.0 moa
750 12.5 moa

That would mean that a bc. near 0.930 would be quite right and the velocity approx. 905 m/s.

With regards,
Tom Marsti, Dienstag, 26. Juli 2005 08:04

750 m Range

750 m Target, 18 cm Group

Bird lived in a Grenade shell

Lutz,

I send you a picture of the target with 8 shots from 750 meters practising for the competition. The 750 m group is about 18 cm.

The birds were found in a dummy granade shell. Its mother had made the nest inside the shell. Its the same shell that I shot at the previous time. Maybe the mother thought it would be nice with a window in their home ; )

The shell was of limits after the nest was found. Nobody was allowed to shoot at it as long as the birds live in it.

Tom Marsti, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2005 08:40
 

Betreff: Antwort: Lutz Möllers LM-105 gewinnt mit Tom Marsti den Lapua Sniper Cup 2005

Hallo Lutz,

da muß ich Dir irgendwie jetzt doch massive gratulieren. Super Leistung, hätte ich nicht zugetraut.

Gruß, Dieter Plössl, Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2005 13:08
 

Moin Dieter,

danke für die Glückwünsche. Die ursprüngliche Wette LM-105 gegen .50 BMG müssen wir irgendwann auch noch mal einlösen.

Gruß Lutz


RE: Tom Marsti, Sako TRG-42, .338 LM

Lutz,
It looked like you had a good time in Afrietwa Was it just resting or did you do some hunting? Yes there is only one Namibia truly a fascinating place!

It appears that the publication to consider will be “Precision shooting Magazine” I will obtain the contact numbers email etc. Recently one of their freelance writers visited us here in Montana. (prairie dog shoot) He is actually an ex military sniper with the right inclination for this kind of subject.

I will forward the information soon.

Keep well, Johan Loubser, Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2005 05:49


Tom,

we rush Your LM-105 Bullets and apparently You shall get them in Time for the August Competition.

Sincerely, Lutz , 28. heinäkuuta 2005 13:29


Hello Lutz!

Thank You, We will do our best to win this competition also. There is more shooting in this competition (approx. 30-50 shots) and the competition will last for two days in a row. I also think that the wind conditions will be tougher than in Lohtaja.

The longest shots will be at 1000-1100 meters if the competition is similar as in the previous years.

Now when I'm more familiar with the gun, I like it more. Even the long barrel doesn't bother me anymore. The rifle is easy to handle in the field.

I could even do more research with the rifle, like testing how many bullets can be shot through the barrel before its worn down : )


With regards, Tom , Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2005 12:43
 

Hello Lutz,

I thought you might like to read an Estonian competition story I wrote a couple of years ago. It's a link to the Sniper guild homepages

http://takilta.fi/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=46

with regards, Tom Marsti, Dienstag, 2. August 2005 13:14


Hello Lutz,

t his time I'm not coming with good news. Unfortunately we came as 6th in the Häyhä competition.

"tulokset" means results and "kuvat" means pictures. I didn't have my own camera with me because the competition was a bit rougher than Lapua, and I was afraid to break my camera.

In the results table the B2 is camouflage max 100 p. A1-A3 range card max 200 p. A2-C1 shooting max 1200 p. (A2 long-range, A3 hierarchy shooting, A4 fast shooting, C1 Shooting according the intelligence information.) B3-B4 advance and terrain using, E1-B1 range-estimation, recognition and intelligence gathering, D1-D2 Kims-game and spotter-shooter co-operation. There was an opportunity to 2 shots / target if the first one didn't hit. I had mostly problems with close targets (200-300 meters, headshots and spray can) We also did some mistakes when we had to pick the first and most important target. I also missed the furthest target at 1040 meters. The wind was about 3-6 m/s and it varied depending on the terrain.

Even if I'm not satisfied at all in my shooting, the gun proved to be easy to handle in thick bushes. I have to process what went wrong and why.

Well any way, send me some info when you want the gun and remaining bullets and cases sent back to you.

Tom Marsti, Montag, 15. August 2005 07:39

6th Lapua  Sniper Competition 2004

July 24th - 25th 

Nammo Lapua Oy arranges sixth annual Lapua Sniper Competition in 24th - 25th July 2004. The competition is intended for two-person Sniper team (shooter/spotter). For foreign competitors registration deadline is 15th June. Registration fee is 25 Euros for each competitor and will be paid in cash at venue.

Competition includes two separate events: The .22" rimfire competition at Saturday 10th and High Power Rifle competition in Sunday 11th. Our basic rules remains the same as earlier, but stages will be whole new in every year.

Place

Competition will be held in Finnish Army shooting area at Lohtaja, located on coastline of Baltic Sea / Bothnian Bay. July is year's warmest month in Finland, so be prepared for sunny and warm (+20 - +30 degr. of Celsius at daytime) but also windy and rainy weather there.

As competition takes its place in military area, all competitors who are not Finnish citizens should provide their passport information before competition. Deadline for this is 15th May.

Equipment

Competitors use their own firearms, ammunition and other equipment and are responsible for their transport, storage and legal possession in Finland.

Firearm required for competition is any rifle which caliber (barrel groove caliber) is less than 10 mm. Rifle can be equipped with a bipod and one additional sandbag can be used for resting. Alternatively shooter may use a rucksack as rest.

Rifle can be equipped with optical sight or iron sights.

Additional optics (binoculars, spotting scope etc.) can be used by team. Use of laser or optical rangefinders is prohibited.

Competitors are responsible for suitable and safe ammunition. Use of tracer, explosive, incendiary or armous-piercing or any other bullets that may cause wildfire or damage targets is prohibited. Number of ammunition required for competition is max. 40 rounds for the high power rifle and max. 50 for the rimfire.

Every competitor is responsible to use proper eye and hearing protection.

Camouflage clothing or ghillie suit / other 3D camouflage is required and will be judged as part of the competition. Proper 3D camouflage ("ghillie suit") gives better points than common 2D camouflage.

Competitors may carry other equipment they consider necessary.

Accomodation

Accomodation for one night (10th - 11th) in included in competition fee. Competitors are otherwise responsible for their own travelling, accomodation for other days and other expenses.

Travel and lcoation information will be provided to registered competitors.

Competition

.22 Rimfire

The .22 rimfire competition includes shooting at unknown distances up to 180 meters. This includes also range and wind estimation.

The .22 rimfire competition is for individual shooters.

Target types and sizes will be released at Saturday. There might be also non-shoot targets which gives negative score while hit. Competition includes shooting at two stages.

Number of rounds used in competition is not limited. Sighting-in or other shooting activities are not allowed during competition days, so have your rifle properly sighted before entering.

We try to keep competition rules very simple; points will be given for shooting tactical skills. Principles of giving points will be told before competition at venue.

High Power Rifle Competition

Competition includes shooting at unknown distances up to 1000 meters. This includes also range and wind estimation.

Both members of team will shoot the same targets and both will work in sniper and spotter roles.

Target types and sizes will be released at Sunday morning. There might be also non-shoot targets which gives negative score while hit. Competition includes shooting at three to four stages at stationary or moving targets.

Number of rounds used in competition is not limited. Sighting-in or other shooting activities are not allowed during competition days, so have your rifle properly sighted before entering.

Competition will include one long range stage and 2-3 other stages.

We try to keep competition rules very simple; points will be given for shooting tactical skills. Principles of giving points will be told before competition at venue.

If you have further questions, please contact Janne Pohjoispää:

.. by mail  Nammo Lapua Oy
                Janne Pohjoispää
                P.O.BOX 5
                FIN-62101 Lapua, Finland

.. by e-mail: janne.pohjoispaa@nammo.fi

.. by phone: +358-6-431 0232 or +358-50-56 33 925

[Defect link ->] http://www.lapua.com/Sniper_2003.php: See pictures from the last years event by clicking this link.

Hallo Herr Moeller,

Ich las gerade Teile ihrer Internetseite zum Lapua Sniper Comp. Nach 2002 werde ich wieder in diesem Jahr mit meinem Sohn dort teilnehmen. Vor zwei Jahren hatten wir sehr mit Seitenwind und dem großen Geschoßfall zu kämpfen. Kal. 308" Win. war bei weitem zu schwach. Übrigens auf der Bildercollage mitte rechts sind mein Sohn und ich zu sehen aus dem Jahr 2002.

In diesem Jahr starten wir mit .338 LM und .308. Wir werden sehen. Ich hätte gern mehr Info von Ihnen zum WM Geschoß LM-105, für die 338" LM Patrone und ggf. Ladedaten wenn möglich. Da ich selbst lade, würde ich mir eine neue Patrone bauen und sie noch vor dem Wettkampf testen. Gibt es dieses Geschoß schon ? Wenn ja wo ? Mit der Bitte um Info.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Redelf Jacobi, RAG Schießsport Celle, 19. Mai 2004


Als Anhang ein Bild aus 2002.

Herr Jakobi,

das LM-105 können Sie von mir beziehen. Es wird ihre Schwierigkeiten mit Geschoßfall und Seitenwind deutliche mildern. Bei Seitenwind driftete es gut 1/3 weniger als ein 16,2 g Lapua Scenar. Um das LM-105 stabil zu verschießen benötigen Sie 9° Drall. Lothar Walter baut auf Wunsch Läufe. Die .338" LM wird mit dem LM-105 genau 105 mm lang, daher der Name,  also länger als die CIP-üblichen 93,5 mm. 

Mit freundlichem Gruß, Lutz Möller 19. Mai 2004

Scharfschützenwettberwerb 2003

5th Lapua Sniper Competition 2003

Seit 1999 veranstaltet Nammo Lapua Oy zusammen mit dem Heer einen Langstreckenwettbewerb für militärische Scharfschützen (Soldaten und entsprechend ausgebildete und befähigte Zivilisten). Der als ,,Lapua Sniper" bekannte Wettbewerb entwickelte sich zum anspruchsvollsten Ereignis dieser Art in Europa. Er mißt sowohl Schießfertigkeit als auch taktisches Können. Der Lapua Scharfschützenwettbewerb 2003 wird vom 19ten - 20ten Juli 2003 bestritten. Jeweils ein Scharfschütze und ein Beobachter treten gemeinsam als eine Rotte an. Letzter Anmeldetag ist der 1. Juli. Erwünscht wäre die jeweils besten Rotten jedes Landes in den Wettbewerb zu schicken. Die Anmeldegebühr beträgt 25 €uro je Mann, sie wird vor Ort erhoben.

Zwei Wettbewerbe

Am Samstag den 19ten  Juli ein .22" lfb Kleinkaliberwettbewerb und Sonntag den 20ten Juli Hochleistungsgewehre bis 10 mm.

Ort

Der Wettbewerb wird am Rande der Ostsee und des bottnischen Meerbusens auf dem finnischen Heeresschießplatz Lohtaja durchgeführt werden. Der Juli ist der wärmste Monat in Finnland, als erwartet Sonne und tagsüber 20 bis 30°C. Mücken lieben das Klima und werden zahlreich erscheinen. Wind und Regen sind möglich. Weil die Wettkämpfer auf finnischem Militärgelände reisen, müssen Ausländer ihre persönlichen Daten aus ihrem Reisepaß bis spätestens zum 19ten Mai mitteilen. 

Ausrüstung

Die Kämpfer gebrauchen ihr eigenen Waffen, Munition, Tarnkleidung und sonstige Ausrüstung. Jeder kümmere sich selbst um den Transport, die Aufbewahrung und den legalen Besitz seiner Sachen und Waffen.

Jede beliebige Waffe bis 10 mm Zugkaliber darf bei den Hochleistungsgewehren benutz werden. Die Waffe darf mit Zweibein ausgerüstet sein und ein weiterer Sandsack, oder statt dessen ein Rucksack, darf als Auflage verwendet werden. die Waffe kann mit Zielfernrohr, Diopter oder offener Visierung ausgerüstet sein. Weiter optische Geräte, wie Spektiv, Doppelglas o. ä. dürfen verwendet werden, jedoch keine optischen Entfernungsmesser!

Die Streiter sollen geeignete und sichere Munition verwenden. Leuchtspur-, Brand-, Explosiv- oder panzerbrechende Geschosse, oder sonstige, die Waldbrände verursachen können oder die Zieleinrichtungen beschädigen könnten, werden ausgeschlossen. Die Wettkämpfe erfordern höchstens 50 Kleinkaliber- oder 40 Hochleistungspatronen zu verschießen.

Jeder Teilnehmer sorgt für geeigneten Augen und- Gehörschutz.

Tarnkleidung zu tragen ist Pflicht und wird als Teil des Wettbewerbes auch gewertet. Den Riß verswischende Kleidung (3d-Tarnung,Ghillie-Suit), wird höher als herkömmliche 2d-Kleidung (Kamouflage) bewertet.

Weiteres, als notwendig erachtetes, Gerät darf mitgeführt werden.

Unterbringung

Die Anmeldegebühr schließt die Unterbringung in der Nacht vom Samstag auf den Sonntag ein. Um die weitere Fahrt, Unterbringung und sonstige Kosten sorgen sich die Reisenden selbst. Genaue Information werden nur den angemeldeten Teilnehmern erteilt.

Wettkampf

Kleinkaliber

Der .22 lfB Wettkampf beinhaltet auf unbekannte Entfernungen bis 180 m zu schießen. Wind und Entfernung müssen geschätzt werden.

Der .22 lfb Wetttkampf läßt Einzelteilnehmer zu. Zielarten und Größen werden am Samstag bekanntgegeben. Es kann auch zu schonende Zielmarken geben, die zu treffen Punkte verlieren ließen. Der Wettkampf beinhaltet zwei Stufen.

Die Schüsse im Wettkampf sind nicht begrenzt. Einschießen oder andere Schießtätigkeiten werden während der Wettkampftage ausgeschlossen, also kommt mit eingeschoßenen Waffen.

Hochleistungsgewehr

Der Hochleistungswettkampf beinhaltet auf unbekannte Entfernungen bis 1000 m zu schießen. Wind und Entfernung müssen geschätzt werden.

Beide Rottenmitglieder werden als Schütze und als Beobachter eingesetzt, tausche also ihre Rollen.

Zielarten und Größen für den Hochleistungswettkampf werden am Samstag bekanntgegeben. Es kann auch zu schonende Zielmarken geben, die zu treffen Punkte verlieren ließen. Der Wettkampf beinhaltet drei bis vier Stufen auf ruhende oder bewegliche Ziele.

Die Schüsse im Wettkampf sind nicht begrenzt. Einschießen oder andere Schießtätigkeiten werden während der Wettkampftage ausgeschlossen, also kommt mit eingeschoßenen Waffen.

Wir bemühen uns die Wettkampfregeln einfach zu halten. Die Punkte werden für taktisches Schießen vergeben. Die Wettkampfregeln werden zu Beginn des Wettkampfes vor Ort bekanntgegeben.

. . . soweit Lapua.

nun kommt's . . .

In Zusammenarbeit mit einem namhaften Hersteller wird eine geeignete Scharfschützenwaffe mit dem Weltrekordgeschoß LM-105 aus der .338 Lapua Magnum ausgerüstet werden und soll an dem Wettkampf teilnehmen, sofern sie rechtzeitig fertig wird. Dazu suche ich eine geeignete deutsche, österreichische oder schweizer Rotte aus dem entsprechenden Teilnehmerkreis, die mit eben dieser Waffe im Sommer nach Finnland fährt und den 5ten Lapua Scharfschützenwettbewerb 2003 damit bestreitet. Für die Dauer der Vorbereitung und des Wettkampfes stelle ich Waffe und Munition. Ich bitte um Meldungen. Für die Nichtballistiker unter den Teilnehmern sei nur soviel gesagt. Sofern auch nur da kleinste bißchen Wind weht, ist die Rotte mit dem Weltrekordgeschoß LM-105 haushoch überlegen. Ähnlich wie man für einen Ferrari Formel -1 Rennwagen Fahrer wie Michael Schumacher wählt, mögen sich auch hier die Besten melden. Die Teilnehmerschaft des ganzen Wettbewerbs ist eher begrenzt. Der Lapua Scharfschützenwettbewerb ist kein sommerliches Publikumsballerfest, sondern ein ernsthaftes Kräftemessen für Professionelle.

Lutz Möller

5th Lapua Sniper Competition 2003

Pictures

Nammo Lapua Oy arranges the fifth annual Lapua Sniper Competition in 19th - 20th July 2003. The competition is intended for two-person sniper team (shooter/spotter). For foreign competitors registration deadline is 1st July. Registration fee is 25 €uros for each competitor and will be paid in cash at venue.

Competition includes two separate events: The .22 rimfire competition at Saturday 19`h and High Power Rifle competition as Sunday 20 th .

Place

Competition will be held in Finnish Army shooting area at Lohtaja, located an coastline of Baltic Sea, Bothnian Bay. July is year's warmest month in Finland, so be prepared for sunny and warm (+20 - +30 °C at daytime) but also windy and rainy weather there.

As competition takes its place in military area, all competitors who are not Finnish citizens should provide their passport Information before competition. Deadline for this is ls` Mav.

Equipment

Competitors use their own firearms, ammunition and other equipment and are responsible for their transport, storage and legal possession in Finland.

Firearm required for competition is any rifle which caliber (barrel groove caliber) is less than 10 mm. Rifle can be equipped with a bipod and one additional sandbag can be used for resting. Alternatively shooter may use a rucksack as rest.

Rifle can be equipped with optical sight or iron sights.

Additional optics (binoculars, spotting scope etc.) can be used by team. Use of Laser or optical rangefinders is prohibited.

Competitors are responsible to use suitable and safe ammunition. Use of tracer, explosive, incendiary or armour-piercing or any other bullets that may cause wildfire or damage targets is prohibited. Number of ammunition required for competition is max. 40 rounds for the high Power rifle and max. 50 for the rimfire.

Every competitor is responsible to use proper eye and hearing protection.

Camouflage clothing or ghillie suit/other 3D Camouflage is required and will be judged as Part of competition. Proper 3D Camouflage ("ghillie suit") gives betten points than common 2D Camouflage.

Competitors may carry other equipment they consider necessary.

Accommondation

Accommodation for one night (19th - 20th) is included in competition fee. Competitors are otherwise responsible for their own travelling, accommodation for other days and other expenses.

Travel and location Information will be provided to registered competitors.

Competition

.22 Rimfire

The .22 rimfire competition includes shooting at unknown distances up to 180 meters. This includes also range and wind estimation.

The .22 rimfire competition is for individual shooters.

Target types and sizes will be released at Saturday There might be also non-shoot targets which gives negative score while hit. Competition includes shooting at two stages.

Number of rounds used in competition is not limited. Sighting-in or other shooting activities are not allowed during competition days, so haue you rifle properly sighted before entering.

We try to keep competition rules very simple; points will be given for shooting tactical skills Principles of giving points will be told before competition at venue.

High Power Rifle Competition

Competition includes shooting at unknown distances up to 1000 meters. This includes also range and wind estimation.

Both members of team will shoot the saure targets and both will work in sniper and spotter roles. Target types and sizes will be released at Sunday morning. There might be also non-shoot targets which gives negative score while hit. Competition includes shooting at three to four stages at stationary or moving targets.

Number of rounds used in competition is not limited. Sighting-in or other shooting activities are not allowed during competition days, so have you rifle properly sighted before entering. Competition will include one long range stage and 2 - 3 other stages

We try to keep competition rules very simple; points will be given for shooting tactical skills Principles of giving points will be told before competition at venue.

If you have further questions, please contact Janne Pohjoispää

Lutz Möller

Lutz,

bemerkenswerter Wettbewerb! Scheint aber sehr militärisch ausgelegt zu sein, denn für zivile Schützen ist dieser Termin nur schwer zu halten: 19.7. ist Queens Final, 20.7. fangen die World Long Range Championships an, und am 24.7 sind ja schon die Palma Championships. Wirst du selber hinfahren ? Wenn ja als Trigger-Operator oder um dem Team das Deine Entwicklung benutzt organisatorisch zu helfen?

Manfred

bonsoir Lutz Möller
oui, c'est intéressant pour nous et je forward à mes amis.
bis bald auf dem Schießplatz. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tir.mailly

2006

Auch 2006 wollen wir wieder mit dem LM-105 dabei sein. Jari Puranen und Freund werden das Rohr richten. Die Waffe hat einen neuen grünen Schaft bekommen:

Sako TRG-42 mit neuem, grünem Schaft und Schmidt Bender 4-16 x 50 PMII

Sako TRG-42 mit neuem, grünem Schaft und Schmidt Bender 4-16 x 50 PMII

Sako TRG-42 mit neuem, grünem Schaft und Schmidt Bender 4-16 x 50 PMII

TRG-42 bullets

Lutz

I need 400-500 pieces LM-105 bullets  to Lapua Sniper competiton, and training to the race. For normal shooting practice i could of course use my own guns and bullets ☺. If possible, I need also bullets that could be used from magazine. In Lapua competition is maybe a stage, where one must shoot fast the second shot (in 3 seconds). I need for that some hunting bullets. Better of course would be, if they have good BC. I need about 300 bullets that are not longer than 40 mm and if possible with that ring over the bullet..

Jari Puranen, Mittwoch, 12. April 2006 11:01

Gain Twist TRG-42


Jari,

i ordered 500 LM-105. The best bullet for long ranges. Why do You think, you should use another Bullet in the Lapua Sniper Cup. Another Bullet will have another Point of Impact and another Trajectory. I wonder, whether You could handle this. Also would I like to know on which Distance those fast shots would be.

Awaiting Your kind Answer.

Yours Lutz, Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:46 PM

Hello Lutz!

Best for the normal long range shooting is of course LM-105, but I don't have yet managed to loaded them so short, that it could use from clip (die Kasten). And only way for fast second shoot in fast Stage is use them from clip.

Of course i know that trajectory and setting right are different, but if you can, you could shoot fast just a changing the point where to aim (That's one thing what we snipers must able to do).

In fast stages ranges have been quite easy, between 200 - 500 m only, average 400 m (in last 4 competitions).

I think this, because the organizer (Lapua) could do more fast stages to give advantage to their own team :)

Mittwoch, 26. April 2006 09:53

Jari,

if Lapua as the Organizer and participating Competitor would change the Competition rules to their own Advantage in a drastic Way, I would considerer this to play foul. I would nt the only one to notice. To cut Distances towards Child play, would ruin the Long range Competition and send the wrong Message to the World, Like "Hey, we always advertise our .338" Lapua Magnum Cartridge for Long Range Cartridge, but that's just Marketing. When we have to perform against Competition, we rather choose short to medium distances, to win over Competition. Sorry for Cheating!"

No I dont't believe Janne Pohjoispaa will do that. I believe he (and Lapua) plays fair. I have no Reason at all to doubt. But if he dares, we will notice and talk about it to the World.

Sincerely, Lutz


Hello Lutz!

I read My friend Jari’s mail to you. It’s good that he at last will start to practice with the gun and bullets. I was wondering if he was going to leave it to the last minute. The fast ranges can be managed with the LM-105 easy. One just needs lots of practice, I know, cause I did it. I know that You or Jari doesn’t need my advise, but I would not use different bullets or loads in the competition due to relative high stress situations, where mistakes are easy done.

We are going to have a shooting weekend on a range that allows to shoot up to 2,5 kilometres if desired. I hope that Jari can manage to the range. Last I heard he was not coming. Any way, I’m going to verify my ballistics and use factory load ammunition in the competition.

About the LAPUA. I don’t think that LAPUA considers this to be a contest between their bullets and the LM-105. Therefore I don’t think that LAPUA would try to tamper with the competition to their favour. LAPUA plays fair.

If I haven’t been mislead, I would say, that Janne is not longer working at LAPUA. You need to confirm that at Lapua.

It would be nice to see you in Lohtaja next summer.

With regards, Tom Marsti, Donnerstag, 27. April 2006 08:12

8th Lapua  Sniper Competition 2006

Dear Mr. Louhisola,

apparently Jari Purannen finished the 8th Lapua Sniper Competition 2006 second to Tom Marsti on first Place. As far as I know, Jari was late in the Evening the last one on the first Stage about 22 h and had to shoot against the Sun near the Horizon. He didn’t see anything and he didn’t hit anything there. Tom was there earlier and brought Points also from that Stage. Jari said, the TRG-42 and the LM-105 performed better on long Ranges than any other Rifle. I wait for further News. Jari will be in Zurich for 2 Weeks.

Have You and the Authorities made up Your Mind about the Rifle and Mongolia? If You want to sell the Rifle, which Price do You ask?

Sincerely, Lutz Möller

Got only second place in Lapua :(

Hello Lutz!

I have very little time, because I fly to Switzerland right now for two weeks. Here is the results.

Race was good, we was so near to first place. We were best in long range stage, but first stage we miss, that was enough, bad.

Best reguards, Jari Puranen, Montag, 24. Juli 2006 06:50

Tja Jari,

ohne die verlorenen Sonnenschüsse hätten die 40 Punkte das Ergebnis von 312 Punkten auf 352 erhöht und wäre damit deutlich vor Tom Marsti mit 328 Punkten gewesen aber ein blanke Scheibe auf der ersten Bühne läßt sich kaum einholen. Schade eigentlich. Zumindest ist wieder mal klar geworden, daß das TRG 42 mit dem LM-105 auf weite Entfernungen besser als alles anders ist. Das ist ja immerhin ein Trost und das zu zeigen war ja nun der eigentliche Grund an solchen Wettbewerben teilzunehmen.

Gruß Lutz

Lapua Sniper Cup 2007

Hallo Lutz,

Gibt es eigtl. einen Lapua Sniper Cup 2007 und nehmt Ihr teil? Oder sehen die lieber die hauseigenen Werksmannschaften gewinnen?

Schön Grüße aus dem Vogtland

Uwe, Samstag, 25. August 2007 15:32

Hallo Uwe,

Janne Janne Pohjoispää, der das bislang organisierte ist nicht mehr bei Lapua. Das siegreiche Sako-TRG 42 ist wieder bei Sako. Das Gewehr-06 ist noch nicht fertig, aber im Werden, siehe Erste Teile. Also habe ich nicht genannt. Das LM-105 verwirrt derzeit durch seine Leistungen die Profis, die es nicht haben, aber ich darf nicht darüber berichten. Die gewerbsmäßigen Scharfschützen lieben keine Presse. Wenn das Gewehr-06 erst fertig (Schaft fehlt noch) ist und in den Händen guter Schütze, wird sich die Landschaft ändern.

Gruß, Lutz Möller

Lapua Sniper Cup 2009

Hallo Lutz Möller

nun habe ich schon einiges über die LM-105 gelesen, ist ein furchteinflössendes Ergebnis, Glückwunsch.

LM: Danke!

Aber ich will ehrlich sein, ich bin nur zu Deinem 105er gekommen, weil ich auf der Suche nach dem Lapua Sniper Cup 2009 bin, dabei bin ich auf Deine Seiten gestoßen und habe sie natürlich gelesen. Kannst Du mir sagen ob der Cup stattfindet und wo ich mich melden kann, weiterhin sind wir auch an anderen militärischen Wettkämpfen interessiert. Wenn Du magst werde ich Dich in eine Mailingliste aufnehmen, da wir selber in diesem Jahr noch ein Treffen für ZF-Schützen veranstalten, es werden Entfernungen mit mind. 800 Metern geboten, mit viel Glück auch 1400. Melde Dich bei Bedarf, und wenn Du wegen des Lapua-Cup etwas hast, oder vergleichbares, wäre schön

Mit freundlichem Gruß, Sven Bauermann, Sonntag, 29. März 2009 09:01

There is no no more Lapua Cup. For 2009 read Finnsniper !

In Afrika 2009 moderated with Feuerschlucker

Siehe LM 105